386: Help! My Boss Wants to Code?

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Dave and Chris talk podcasts they're enjoying, a brief making money on the web segment, and your questions about styling old elements, encrypted media, and how to keep your boss out of your code.



Chris Coyier and Dave Rupert in silly sunglasses and a sign that says Shawp Tawlkk Shough DOT COM

Chris Coyier and Dave Rupert

This episode is with just Chris & Dave, ShopTalk Show's hosts. Chris is the co-founder of CodePen and creator of CSS-Tricks, and Dave is lead developer at Paravel.

Time Jump Links

  • 00:47 Dave the pilgrim
  • 01:45 Dave's secret MP3 story
  • 04:06 Podcast listening suggestions
  • 20:29 Making money on the web segment
  • 35:17 Sponsor: Cloudbees Rollout
  • 36:11 We need new elements and ways to style old elements
  • 41:59 Sponsor: Netlify
  • 43:58 Encrypted media extensions
  • 55:46 My boss wants to code - what do I do?


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Dave Rupert: Hey there, Shop-o-maniacs. You're listening to another episode of the ShopTalk Show. I'm Dave Rupert. I don't have anything clever today. Chris - Chris Coyier is here, too. Hey, Chris. How are you?

Chris Coyier: That's shocking to me as, weeks and weeks ago, you were doing a Halloween voice and today is literally the day of Halloween and you have--

Dave: Oh, well, that we are recording.

Chris: I know.

Dave: Okay. Let me try it again.

[Speaking in a hillbilly voice] Hey, I'm Dave "Thanksgiving is coming up" Rupert.


Dave: [Continues speaking in a hillbilly voice] It's already Thanksgiving about time when you're listening to this. I'm a pilgrim. [Laughter]

Chris: Nailed it. Nailed it. Yeah.

Dave: Yeah.

Chris: You're right, though. It'll be a couple weeks because we're going to air the live show from JAMstack Conf that we did the show the week before this.

Dave: Yes.

Chris: Listeners, you've already listened to that. I hope you enjoyed it. It was fun for us. [Laughter]

Dave: It was fun and there's a video, too, of some jokes that did not quite translate or whatever, but it was fun, a fun time.

Chris: Ah, yeah, to audio-only, but we'd be remiss if we didn't send it out to the old RSS feed as well that has a special piece of XML in it that links to an MP3, which is what makes a podcast. Did you all know that, listeners? Podcasts are just RSS, which is just XML. [Laughter]

Dave: God's language.


Dave: [Stammers] Can I tell you a story? Can I tell you a secret story? I have some bootleg MP3s, right?

Chris: Yeah.

Dave: Some bootlegs of Ursula Franklin talking. Okay? No one tell the FBI about this, okay?

Chris: [Laughter]

Dave: Ursula Franklin is this technologist, but from oldie days, almost pre-Web days.

Chris: Mm-hmm.

Dave: Just the way she thinks about technology, and Ethan Marcotte got me onto this and may or may not have procured some bootleg MP3s of talks that she's given. All I've been thinking about is, "I'm just going to handwrite an RSS feed and I'm going to just chuck it on Netlify at some bogus URL, whatever, Stomping Dragon, or whatever, and just have a bootleg RSS feed that I can listen to these MP3s, these five, seven talks over and over and over in a podcasting app." You know what I mean?

Chris: Yeah, because the minute that it's a valid RSS feed, you can just give anybody the URL to it and any one of these podcast apps can suck it in and listen to it there.

Dave: Yeah. I'm thinking about a bootleg MP3, secret RSS empire. I'm just going to have these little apps, little podcast for me of old stuff because I can't listen to it at my desk. That's a limitation of my brain. When I was sitting at my desk trying to listen to a podcast, no information gets ingested and no work gets ingested. It has to be on walks, driving, or whatever. 2X is kind of a requirement too. I can' t just listen to these--

Chris: You just get a bunch of UX out of doing it this way. You already have the MP3.

Dave: Yeah.

Chris: It could be argued that it's like, "Dave, just listen to the MP3. That technology exists," but RSS just brings that BYOUX.

Dave: Yeah, you get some superpowers, so I'm going to -- anyway. I'm going to have some bootlegs. Hey.

Chris: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's like dark podcast, like people have dark Twitters, you know.

Dave: Dark podcast. Yeah, it's like the alt accounts or the, yeah, dark Web, dark money, dark podcast. It's the new podcast venture.

Chris: I like it. I like it.

Dave: Secret. You can pay me. You could pay me a million, jillion dollars.

Chris: Do you listen to anything else good lately? You know. Now that my arms are getting a little better, I can actually -- it's funny because you'd think, why would a podcast--?

Dave: (Indiscernible) [Laughter]

Chris: Yeah, really. Why would your arms have anything to do with walking? You think you could walk the whole time? I kind of could, but you swing your arms when you walk and it wasn't particularly comfortable, so I was off.

Dave: I'm sure there's a blood flow thing, right? You move your arm and it's like, ow.

Chris: Yeah, right, or it brings more attention to the party that you just don't want. Yeah, but I'm back on the treadmill now. I'm not doing frickin curls yet. I'm just not cleared for that stuff yet, but I can walk, which means a lot more podcasting recently. I've been just listening to all kinds of stuff.

Dave: Well, you know, I've been listening to D&D podcast, the McElroy Brothers. They do Adventure Zone.

Chris: Mm-hmm.

Dave: They just finished a big arch called Amnesty, and it's about playing D&D in a small town in West Virginia. Well, they're playing D&D, but it's kind of like a monster hunter, Buffy the Vampire style arch where they play. It's set in West Virginia or Appalachia, so it was pretty awesome. I liked it quite a bit. I also loved Buffy, so that was very easy for me to get into.

Then somebody showed me The Daily. Have you heard of The Daily?

Chris: Oh, yeah.

Dave: The New York Times, The Daily.

Chris: We listen to that. That's one of the ones that me and my wife listen to together a lot of times because she listens to more podcasts than anybody I know on earth - just veraciously. In fact, her New Years' resolution was to listen to less of them because it was too much.

Dave: I'm with Miranda on that.


Dave: I've got to cut out some e-books. I waste so much damn time. I've read like 50 books this year, listened to 50 books this year. It's way too much, dude. I need to pull back and just chill.

This Daily is so neat because it's just like--

Chris: Yeah, it's the New York Times and they put it out, literally, every single day. It's high quality, though. Really good.

Dave: It's only 30 minutes. It's high quality and it just goes into one story for 30 minutes.

Chris: Mm-hmm.

Dave: I just think that's cool. I'm not going to listen to every one, but it's just stuff that I'm interested in, so I'll just kind of poke around at. Because it's one story, it's like if you've ever listened to Marketplace or something like that. It's like 15 minutes, but it's like 72 stories in 15 minutes and you're just like, "What did I just listen to?" But this one is just one little tangent a day.

Chris: Yeah, it's worth listening to.

Dave: Somebody turned me on to that.

Chris: You know Vox does the same thing: Today, Explained.

Dave: Oh, really?

Chris: It's � almost.

Dave: Okay. I could see that.

Chris: Well, that's good. That's good. I'm 50/50 on tech/non-tech podcasts. I almost wish there were more good tech podcasts. Maybe we'll expand. Not that there's -- there are just some but whatever. Without being a dingus about it, there are some I like and some I don't. Sorry.

Dave: Yeah. [Laughter] I don't want to spoil my video game podcast called